As a person from ukraine 🤝🏻. But now being in us and having more resources makes me think differently

I’ve torrented too many gigabytes of creative works for zilch in the name of “culture wanting to be free”, that I simply don’t feel like I have a leg to stand on criticizing this

Taking a step back - and related to my first comment - I find it helpful to think of AI systems relative to humans. So, AIs training on data owned by others is OK to me since that’s what humans do.

One thought: humans train on other humans work too

You could say humans just collect patterns and spit things back out too. I’m not sure how much difference there is except AI might be better since it can “know more”

Yeah, but that's a thing they don't pay for it. And even if you'll read an article and tell other people, we cannot "regenerate" similar content in a journalist style (or it's takes too much effort), but ai can make it immediately.

this is a bit different don’t you think? the AI being trained is robotic and has 0 emotional interpretation. when a human produces something and shares it, other humans will interpret it differently and adopt what speaks to them. AI just collects patterns and spits it back out.

I definitely think there’s more that should be done with citations though. Data pulled from paywalled content should be obviously cited. Maybe that works out well for the publications as they potentially get more lead gen.

+, I'm curious after seeing companies specializing on it, and trying to understand if they have future. Make sense if data is public, but what do you think about protected data, like NYT, where people pay to get access to content?

For data behind a paywall, if you agree with me above, assuming the AI company pays for it, then that’s fine if they train on that too. If I read an NYT article and told you about it, no one would care.

It’s very different. There’s several factors that impact a humans interpretation, skill level and appreciation. AI models don’t “appreciate”. Humans can make proper distinction

agree that it's complicated, but do you feel big corps will be willing to pay royalties to artists? In my mind, if they need this artist's type of work, why not just hire him? It only works if they need a massive amount of similar content

Design community, with AI generating more art (text, image, audio, video) what are your honest thoughts on the ethics (care / don’t care)? Models often train on others’ work without compensation. Should companies pay creators if their material was used for generating content?

scalping the web and data without consent is unethical imo. there is so much nuance here but i don’t trust any big corp with this. the model you brought up with NYT is an idea. but we’ve dug ourselves a deep whole, having opted into these “free” spaces for decades now...

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