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Kasper Andersen
Replying to @davidmendes

My hot take is that making software design, that feels like art, is just really hard. So instead we just told each other that it can't be art, so we can all be happy and focus on our MVPs instead. The stuff andy.works does feels like art to me.

Kasper Andersen
Replying to @davidmendes

Or maybe it's just because, when people think of "art" they think of a piece by Picasso or Salvador Dali and think it can't be that.

David Mendes
Replying to @kaandk

Yeah, everyone says they craft delightful experiences but delight tends to get lost in the process.

Jesper
Replying to @davidmendes

I think both serve a function, or neither wouldn't exist. Design is just more functional, while art is more expressive. IMO

David Mendes
Replying to @virtualjesper

Not always. Certain things in design live at the intersection of both. For example the lemon squeezer from Philippe Starck is not the best lemon squeezer, but it is one that I treasure and makes me happy to use.

Christian Queiroz
Replying to @davidmendes

On this subject, I like to think that Design mainly serves to solve a problem, even if this problem is simply "aesthetic", to make a more beautiful object. Since art is not intended to solve a problem, it can even say about a problem, but hardly by itself will solve a problem.

David Mendes
Replying to @c_sousaqueiroz

Maybe if we think of design more as adding value and less as solving problems, then artistic experiences also have their place in design.

Ryan Paonessa
Replying to @davidmendes

Apps & ads? Sure, me too. But how about a place to live, street signs, furniture, etc.? Both art and design can be beautiful and functional, but art does not have to be any of those things, whereas with design, function is a requirement.

David Mendes
Replying to @rpaonessa

My point with the thought above was not to elevate one to the detriment of the other (Art vs. Design). My perspective is that aesthetics and artistic experiences matter, even if we are not discussing art at all.

Celeste
Replying to @davidmendes

I feel like art is subjectively expressing the creator’s emotion, while design is objectively serving others through evaluating problems and proposing solutions. At least I define this way with myself.

William M.
Replying to @zimablue @davidmendes

I believe this really is the best definition + making art is defined as “producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.”

Bora
Bora @bora
Replying to @davidmendes

Good subject to discuss. Found these in my notes: “Design is not art. Design has to function.” “Art is meant to provoke thought and emotions, but it doesn’t solve problems.” “Artists primarily work off instinct, whereas designers employ a methodical, data-driven process.”

Bora
Bora @bora
Replying to @davidmendes

+ Leaving this here.

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Bruno Figueiredo
Replying to @davidmendes

I think the problem is lack of grey area. Great design is usually masterfully mashed with art (at very least artwork). But art always serves a purpose even if it’s just to express one’s feelings. I tend to think that design serves needs of many while art serves the artist first.

Bruno Figueiredo
Replying to @davidmendes

Also Sagmeister has a saying: beauty as function. I feel like that tells a lot about the place of art in design.

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Replying to @davidmendes

Great points from everyone here. I’ve always thought of it this way: Artists create with the intention to communicate how THEY want to express themselves while Designers typically communicate what OTHERS want to express.

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Replying to @davidmendes

Also contributes to how each tends to describe their work. Artists are pretty gray or non-tangible with their word selection. Designers are typically black and white with their terminology. Very solution oriented.