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I only really pitch Webflow for clients now, but the learning curve is too high for the client to do anything besides simple text edits and adding blog posts, etc. I guess you could roll it into a semi-annual update/maintenance retainer

I understand, but not for clients who barely understand Squarespace and want to update everything themselves

I'm a designer too (not dev). Webflow is (more or less) drag and drop if you think about it like a more complex squarespace. if you understand basic web development principles (e.g. box model, how CSS works, breakpoints) + Figma, you have a good head start over most people

WF: Replace text easy: select text in editor: retype. Replace image: as easy. Updating design themselves when they are not skilled in design 😬. 
A colleague keeps banging on about how easy Wix is for his non-designer wife. I haven’t followed it up though.

Absolutely. Attractive pricing can lead a client to a preferred choice. Free 1hr tutoring at launch is enough I find. Not only does it empower them, but reinforces that we go that extra bit further. A check in 2 months later allows us to see if we can offer more services.

I can’t say I know this space but Webflow sounds like another possibility?

Most clients I work with want to be able to update their websites easily without having to hire someone to do maintenance for them. Framer has a learning curve and it’s more of a designers tool.

Framer seems really popular now 🤷‍♂️

I’m not a developer, Webflow has a pretty steep learning curve for me. Everything I’ve ever really worked on has been drag and drop.

Webflow is too complicated for 75-80% of clients I’ve worked with. Framer is too complicated for about 50%. ReadyMag ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and I’ve never heard of Bocs

Interesting ok, do your clients need to know about it to trust it or something? Curious what the blocker is there?

I’m getting more and more annoyed with Squarespace and so are a lot of my clients. What’s the next best DIY platform with a solid user base that needs websites built? 

Last time I used Wix it was worse than SQSP. Framer, not enough people use or know about. Wordpress???

In the startup space, freelancer creative space? Yes. In the DIY space, for small businesses with their first or second website? Not at all. They don’t even know what Framer is.

IMHO, WP is your best bet here. WP + GeneratePress ideally, and build on top of it. It'll be much faster for you to learn GeneratePress blocks when compared to Framer or Webflow.

Yeah that could be something, if I could learn Webflow.

Could you price square space vs framer differently + offer some billable training sessions?

That’s what CMS is for. Webflow CMS is super easy.

I’ve certainly tried to move to Webflow as a possibility, but I’m not a coder. I barely know code enough to do very basic CSS, and it’s been difficult for me to learn the platform. While they do have an editor, it’s very restrictive, too complicated, too costly for most clients.

if you have the time, you could learn (basic) webflow in a weekend. I only learned it to do my own portfolio site, and then a client (referral) hired me to do their website and since they needed a somewhat robust CMS, we went with webflow.

There’s no perfect app. It really depends how much time the client is prepared to invest their time in. I recommend that my clients focus their business efforts on what gives them the most opportunities: sales/leads etc and not on design/dev. Leave that to me.

Check out Duda! It’s pretty robust, and offers a drag and drop editor WITH the ability to edit your templates code as well

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