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Russ
Replying to @mabee

Framer seems really popular now 🤷‍♂️

Justin Mabee
Replying to @hey_russ

In the startup space, freelancer creative space? Yes. In the DIY space, for small businesses with their first or second website? Not at all. They don’t even know what Framer is.

Russ
Replying to @mabee

Interesting ok, do your clients need to know about it to trust it or something? Curious what the blocker is there?

Justin Mabee
Replying to @hey_russ

Most clients I work with want to be able to update their websites easily without having to hire someone to do maintenance for them. Framer has a learning curve and it’s more of a designers tool.

Caspian Ievers
Replying to @mabee @hey_russ

That’s what CMS is for. Webflow CMS is super easy.

Justin Mabee
Replying to @caspianievers @hey_russ

I understand, but not for clients who barely understand Squarespace and want to update everything themselves

Taurean Bryant
Replying to @mabee @caspianievers @hey_russ

Could you price square space vs framer differently + offer some billable training sessions?

Caspian Ievers
Replying to @taurean @mabee @hey_russ

Absolutely. Attractive pricing can lead a client to a preferred choice. Free 1hr tutoring at launch is enough I find. Not only does it empower them, but reinforces that we go that extra bit further. A check in 2 months later allows us to see if we can offer more services.

Josh Pindjak
Replying to @mabee

I only really pitch Webflow for clients now, but the learning curve is too high for the client to do anything besides simple text edits and adding blog posts, etc. I guess you could roll it into a semi-annual update/maintenance retainer

Justin Mabee
Replying to @josh_

Yeah that could be something, if I could learn Webflow.

Josh Pindjak
Replying to @mabee

if you have the time, you could learn (basic) webflow in a weekend. I only learned it to do my own portfolio site, and then a client (referral) hired me to do their website and since they needed a somewhat robust CMS, we went with webflow.

Justin Mabee
Replying to @josh_

I’m not a developer, Webflow has a pretty steep learning curve for me. Everything I’ve ever really worked on has been drag and drop.

Josh Pindjak
Replying to @mabee

I'm a designer too (not dev). Webflow is (more or less) drag and drop if you think about it like a more complex squarespace. if you understand basic web development principles (e.g. box model, how CSS works, breakpoints) + Figma, you have a good head start over most people

Caspian Ievers
Replying to @mabee

Webflow, Framer, ReadyMag, Bocs.

Justin Mabee
Replying to @caspianievers

Webflow is too complicated for 75-80% of clients I’ve worked with. Framer is too complicated for about 50%. ReadyMag ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and I’ve never heard of Bocs

Caspian Ievers
Replying to @mabee

Sorry. Typo Blocs blocsapp.com/

Tor Bruce
Replying to @mabee

I can’t say I know this space but Webflow sounds like another possibility?

Justin Mabee
Replying to @tor.works

I’ve certainly tried to move to Webflow as a possibility, but I’m not a coder. I barely know code enough to do very basic CSS, and it’s been difficult for me to learn the platform. While they do have an editor, it’s very restrictive, too complicated, too costly for most clients.

Mighil
Replying to @mabee

IMHO, WP is your best bet here. WP + GeneratePress ideally, and build on top of it. It'll be much faster for you to learn GeneratePress blocks when compared to Framer or Webflow.

Michael Andreuzza
Replying to @mabee

try versoly.com

Versoly — The website builder that doesn't compromise
Quickly create landing pages and websites that grow traffic and convert better. No code required.
Molly Gertenbach
Replying to @mabee

Check out Duda! It’s pretty robust, and offers a drag and drop editor WITH the ability to edit your templates code as well